# Collecting and investigating information about new payment methods **URL:** \ **Category:** Payment methods\ **Created:** [April 23, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41 "2016-04-23T22:23:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/manfredkarrer/32/26_2.png) [@ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/u/ManfredKarrer)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/1 "2016-04-23T22:23:08Z")
The task to check if a payment method is suited for Bitsquare is difficult as with the global nature of Bitsquare we rely on people in different countries to provide us the required information. Furthermore we cannot test each method as we cannot open accounts in foreign countries easily. To collect those data and get reliable information we ask anyone who has experience or who wants to see a certain payment method to get added to Bitsquare to provide us with qualtitaive information. Here are 2 documents where we summarized the availabel infos. - [Payment methods document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iQHhtAOieu5i6_2rvkvtcLS70A991aZlxkJgzv97XuU) - [Payment methods overview (spreadsheet)](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xiOqcBSInIF7ozWdN3DvM5O-nyZ-397G9MR8LOXs6iA) The files are read only as we got spammed, but feel free to post here information so we can add it to the docs. ---
**Author:** ![ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/manfredkarrer/32/26_2.png) [@ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/u/ManfredKarrer)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/2 "2016-04-23T22:25:45Z")
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**Author:** ![marc](https://bisq.community/letter_avatar/marc/32/6_22734026db12803ebb3e059622ac3534.png) [@marc](https://bisq.community/u/marc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 10:22am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/3 "2016-04-24T10:22:28Z")
I added **Faster Payments** to the payment methods spreadsheet. A request came up at [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4g3951/bitsquare_new_release_v043_p2p_exchange/) reddit topic. The payment method seems to be popular in the UK. This should be suitable for bitsquare as money transfers are instant. Chargeback risk needs to be investigated. faster payments [claim you can’t charge back](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinUK/comments/1u0f45/im_a_local_bitcoins_seller_and_i_just_had_a/cedd8sc) but it has happened. From a quick look it seems to be comparable to SEPA. ---
**Author:** ![SaBit](https://bisq.community/letter_avatar/sabit/32/6_22734026db12803ebb3e059622ac3534.png) [@SaBit](https://bisq.community/u/SaBit)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/4 "2016-04-24T15:50:40Z")
Hi, I would like to see payment methods for South Africa added. Cash Deposit @ atm - most banks have direct note deposit ElectronicFund Transfer SA bank to SA bank What info could I supply you to assist with this.? ---
**Author:** ![marc](https://bisq.community/letter_avatar/marc/32/6_22734026db12803ebb3e059622ac3534.png) [@marc](https://bisq.community/u/marc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/5 "2016-04-24T16:43:49Z")
Hi SaBit, please take a look at the documents ManfredKarrer linked to in the first post. Pretty much all the information is needed to decide if the payment method fits bitsquare standards. For implementation especially the mandatory fields are important. That means all information that is necessary to send and receive money. You can provide the info here in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/6 "2016-04-24T16:48:06Z")
> **[Send and receive money instantly | Jiffy by SIA \>\>\> Cash in a Flash](https://jiffy.sia.eu/index.php/en)** > > Jiffy revolutionizes how you move your money. You can send and receive money in real time, simply, via a mobile phone number. Does your bank have Jiffy? Currently, it is enabled only in Italy. There is a limit of 500 eur / day. It isn’t possible to send less that 1 eur. It is possible to sent cents, example: 5.02 eur. It is possible to write a reason as the common SEPA transfer. It seems that it isn’t possible to chargeback. The user need to install an app on his phone, the account will be connected with his phone number. The service needs to be supported by the bank, so the user need to have a bank account. It is like a faster SEPA. ---
**Author:** ![riclas](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/riclas/32/27_2.png) [@riclas](https://bisq.community/u/riclas)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/7 "2016-04-24T17:03:27Z")
Interesting, we have something just like jiffy in portugal. It’s called MBway. differences: maximum transfer limit of 750€ monthly transfer limit of 2500€ 20 transfers per month ---
**Author:** ![Gizfreak](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/gizfreak/32/31_2.png) [@Gizfreak](https://bisq.community/u/Gizfreak)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/8 "2016-04-24T19:15:05Z")
As most dutch are used to using [Ideal](https://www.ideal.nl/en/) as their payment processor, it would be a big deal for me and a lot of fellow countrymen, if that could be implemented. ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/9 "2016-04-24T19:24:13Z")
Do you know if it is easy to chargeback? ---
**Author:** ![Gizfreak](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/gizfreak/32/31_2.png) [@Gizfreak](https://bisq.community/u/Gizfreak)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/10 "2016-04-24T19:26:46Z")
I have no experience with chargebacks, but I guess it will be easy as it’s the payment system no.1 in the Netherlands. ---
**Author:** ![marc](https://bisq.community/letter_avatar/marc/32/6_22734026db12803ebb3e059622ac3534.png) [@marc](https://bisq.community/u/marc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/11 "2016-04-24T21:07:13Z")
It’s difficult to decide which payment methods to accept. I had a quick look at the [iDeal faq](https://www.ideal.nl/en/payer/faq/). It states the same as the faqs of other payment methods (Faster Payments, Jiffy, SEPA) . All claim ‘chargebacks not possible’. In reality, experience shows that chargebacks are in fact possible. In the end it’s not up to the payment processors but to the participating banks. You need strong reasons to make both banks belive that a fraud has happened and you might be able to have paid money charged back. Bitsquare has security measures in place that reduce incentives for these kind of attacks, like trade limits. Bank accounts are a scarce ressource and can’t be exploited for these attacks at will. It should be discussed if these similar payment processors should be included in bitsquare or not. ---
**Author:** ![mepistol](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/mepistol/32/39_2.png) [@mepistol](https://bisq.community/u/mepistol)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/12 "2016-04-25T06:13:26Z")
It is also necessary that there is a statement, e. g. from the sending bank, showing that a transaction has occured. This is for the case of a dispute where the sender might be required to prove that he/she sent the fiat. As an example, MobilePay which is popular in Finland and Denmark, does not give a clear bankstatement and does in fact use Visa. Concrning chargebacks. At least in Sweden it is extremely difficult to get a chargebank using banks. One must first get a court to agree to fraud. This is between private individuals. Different rules (depending on contracts) exist for merchants. ---
**Author:** ![riclas](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/riclas/32/27_2.png) [@riclas](https://bisq.community/u/riclas)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/13 "2016-04-25T16:12:48Z")
chargeback policies differ from country to country, we need to go the conservative route and assume the simpler case of all countries. As far as I know, in no country can you simply request a chargeback without the bank’s consent, so that should be the standard IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![jorijnsmit](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/jorijnsmit/32/127_2.png) [@jorijnsmit](https://bisq.community/u/jorijnsmit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 5:06am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/14 "2016-07-21T05:06:37Z")
How can you pay each other directly through iDeal though? Thought you can only pay merchants with it? ---
**Author:** ![ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/manfredkarrer/32/26_2.png) [@ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/u/ManfredKarrer)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 9:28am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/15 "2016-07-21T09:28:32Z")
I have no experience with iDeal. If you provide sufficient info we can add it. Requirement is that it is hard to chargeback and low fees. ---
**Author:** ![jorijnsmit](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/jorijnsmit/32/127_2.png) [@jorijnsmit](https://bisq.community/u/jorijnsmit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 10:41am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/16 "2016-07-21T10:41:52Z")
It is a consumer/merchant payments channel only. Although chargebacks will not occur, the receiver needs a merchant’s key to accept iDeal payments. They are not available for free nor to anyone. In The Netherlands it is used for quick payments to web shops or other organisations. ---
**Author:** ![ProfitCenter](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/profitcenter/32/247_2.png) [@ProfitCenter](https://bisq.community/u/ProfitCenter)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 9:39am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/17 "2016-10-16T09:39:40Z")
Is there any follow up? Payeer seems to be a good option to list in the payments options. ---
**Author:** ![coinstash](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/coinstash/32/213_2.png) [@coinstash](https://bisq.community/u/coinstash)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/18 "2016-10-16T23:53:35Z")
Payeer is just another credit card merchant. It’s advisable not to graft that expensive rubbish onto Bitcoin at any juncture. Also they’re not really up front about their chargeback policy so unless we know it’s disallowed we can _not_ add them. ---
**Author:** ![141](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/141/32/452_2.png) [@141](https://bisq.community/u/141)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 8:14am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/19 "2017-02-04T08:14:45Z")
Sorry if I’m doing something wrong, I am new here. I saw that in bitsquare were two posts combined with the “Fidor Bank”, but without going into the payment possibilities. On [https://www.bitcoin.de/](https://www.bitcoin.de/) is a “Express-trade” option when both traders have a Fidor account to send money in real time. This is working with a “Social Payment” called “send friends money” Here the links with more information: [https://www.fidor.de/personal-banking/operations#Social%20Payment](https://www.fidor.de/personal-banking/operations#Social%20Payment) ![](https://bisq.community/uploads/default/original/1X/7403eaf8f7381b43d5d0d4dc17a1f82c11c88aa1.png) It would be great to add this payment method to Bitsquare. ---
**Author:** ![ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/manfredkarrer/32/26_2.png) [@ManfredKarrer](https://bisq.community/u/ManfredKarrer)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41/20 "2017-09-18T02:54:44Z")
Move from Github issue: [https://github.com/bisq-network/exchange/issues/925](https://github.com/bisq-network/exchange/issues/925) Author: nycnikato **Please add American Express Bluebird payment support** There are no chargebacks and no reversals when money is sent, Money can be held by mediator if necessary and sent back to the affected party. There is an auditable paper trail. American Express can already be used to buy bitcon directly using Abra but this solution may be usable for those who don’t want American Express knowing about Bitcoin purchases directly or those who want to have a prepaid option that is better and faster than a bank. This would take minimal effort to implement. money could be sent to an address controlled by mediator with a reference number attached. [Next page](https://bisq.community/t/collecting-and-investigating-information-about-new-payment-methods/41.md?page=2)