# Postal delivery - Registered Mail International **URL:** \ **Category:** Payment methods\ **Created:** [August 29, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570 "2016-08-29T19:01:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/1 "2016-08-29T19:01:10Z")
I think that it can be interesting to even add the cash delivery through postal services, at least in Europe. With the Registered Mail service (in Italy it costs 5.95 eur), it can be sure of the sending and that the receiver will receive the mail. I’m not sure how much it is secure, but I see it as a good not easily traceable way 🙂 Italy example: ![](https://bisq.community/uploads/default/original/1X/046f0478676a855d1327850e14811134f9dae19c.png) ---
**Author:** ![sdc](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/sdc/32/149_2.png) [@sdc](https://bisq.community/u/sdc)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/2 "2016-08-29T19:03:31Z")
cash in mail is also a option that should be ofc in bitsquare, is it already or not ? ---
**Author:** ![BitConcerned](https://bisq.community/letter_avatar/bitconcerned/32/6_22734026db12803ebb3e059622ac3534.png) [@BitConcerned](https://bisq.community/u/BitConcerned)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/3 "2016-08-29T19:05:19Z")
How does the sender prove he actually included anything in the enevelope / package? ---
**Author:** ![sdc](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/sdc/32/149_2.png) [@sdc](https://bisq.community/u/sdc)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/4 "2016-08-29T19:20:52Z")
why is this necessary if someone sends me a empty enevelope i dont release funds 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/5 "2016-08-29T19:33:04Z")
@sdc How is it possible for the receiver to prove that the envelope was empty and not that he emptied before “recording” the proof? I see the problem. @BitConcerned A least it is needed that everytime the envelope was sent intact. Anyway, I think that it’s interesting to see if this way is viable 🙂 EDIT: There is also the “international money order” (always through postal service) , active at least in Europe it seems, but it is more traceable than the common mail. ---
**Author:** ![BitConcerned](https://bisq.community/letter_avatar/bitconcerned/32/6_22734026db12803ebb3e059622ac3534.png) [@BitConcerned](https://bisq.community/u/BitConcerned)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/6 "2016-08-29T20:52:35Z")
@sdc Then the boot is on the other foot. 😉 The sender does indeed send you the funds, however, you can say you didn’t receive any at all. How do you prove who’s telling the truth? ---
**Author:** ![BitMasterSquare](https://bisq.community/letter_avatar/bitmastersquare/32/6_22734026db12803ebb3e059622ac3534.png) [@BitMasterSquare](https://bisq.community/u/BitMasterSquare)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/7 "2016-08-29T22:10:06Z")
I’d rather trust private drone delivery than go anywhere near the Post Office. ---
**Author:** ![sdc](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/sdc/32/149_2.png) [@sdc](https://bisq.community/u/sdc)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/8 "2016-08-30T15:15:38Z")
haha sorry, now i realized i thought it the other way. But yea this is a good question, on Localbitcoins and other shops it does work also… sure the buyer is at risk… everytime and everywhere, but you can minimal the risk. And this works best with a good reputation system, thats why amazon, ebay and other marketplaces are adopted. Because its good for the conscience to have experience reports, sure you can still scam after you traded 500 times, but it isnt worth it, unless you would exit scam, But still only 1 is damaged instead of many (centralized) ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/9 "2016-09-06T14:59:33Z")
I’ve asked to my postal service, and they suggested me to use the **assured mail**. The assured mail solution is good because the postal service make more checks on the integrity of the envelope/package, because it is in their interest to avoid being scammed them self (example: assured empty mails) I don’t know if the assured mail service is available everywhere, but I’m enough sure that it is available in all European countries. I think that it should be added as a payment system. Maybe users should be able to indicate (if they want) where are they sending from, so the receiver can choose to accept only mail from their same country. If the mail arrive from a different country from the one indicated (so the sender has lied), even before opening it the receiver can ask the intervention of the arbiter. ---
**Author:** ![coinstash](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/coinstash/32/213_2.png) [@coinstash](https://bisq.community/u/coinstash)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/10 "2016-09-22T13:30:41Z")
Insecure, and illegal in some countries. I wouldn’t send cash via the mail. ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/11 "2016-09-26T03:38:14Z")
No one should be forced to do it, but if it is possible, why not? 😉 In italy it is possible and legal, and maybe even in other european countries. ---
**Author:** ![coinstash](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/coinstash/32/213_2.png) [@coinstash](https://bisq.community/u/coinstash)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/12 "2016-09-26T04:00:20Z")
It is illegal in 42 countries. Maybe it’s OK in Italy, but what about the destination address? Postal sorting machinery detects the metal stripes and will reject it for manual inspection. In Australia customs have confiscated money sent this way. Also, postal workers have been known to steal it. I think you need to find a safer solution. ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 11:50am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/13 "2016-09-26T11:50:49Z")
[quote=“coinstash, post:12, topic:570”] It is illegal in 42 countries [/quote]Can you back this statement with something? 🙂 There are some ways to avoid that the money can be seen through the envelope, and as I said, the “assured mail” form is the good way to add a risk for any postal workers in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![coinstash](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/coinstash/32/213_2.png) [@coinstash](https://bisq.community/u/coinstash)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 12:29pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/14 "2016-09-26T12:29:26Z")
Here’s my reference: [http://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/five-questions-about-sending-cash-overseas-6275143.html](http://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/five-questions-about-sending-cash-overseas-6275143.html) If you’re going to send it by insured mail there’s no financial advantage from using a banking service. It may not be illegal to post cash where you live, but just about everyone would agree it’s stupid. There is NO WAY you can confirm if it was received without registered mail that requires a signature. Convenient? No. Traceable? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:24am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/15 "2016-09-27T05:24:27Z")
[quote=“coinstash, post:14, topic:570, full:true”] If you’re going to send it by insured mail there’s no financial advantage from using a banking service. It may not be illegal to post cash where you live, but just about everyone would agree it’s stupid. There is NO WAY you can confirm if it was received without registered mail that requires a signature. Convenient? No. Traceable? Yes.[/quote] It is not traceable if you don’t say to everyone that you are sending money, isn’t this obvious? 😉 Anyway, I’ve found the page that article refers to: > **[How to post money, jewellery and valuables abroad](https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/109/~/help-with-sending-valuables-and-money-overseas)** > > Keep valuables, jewellery and money safe when you post it by following our packaging and posting tips. Check the list of countries you can't post money to. It says that it is illegal in Italy, while you can see here that it is instead allowed: [https://www.poste.it/postali/italia/assicurata.shtml](https://www.poste.it/postali/italia/assicurata.shtml) > [@](#): > > Ideale per spedire cose di valore, documenti importanti, **denaro** , oggetti preziosi, titoli o valori > [@](#): > > Ideal for shipping valuables, important documents, **money** , valuables, securities or other assets So, I’m not sure about how much the page is accurate with the reality of all those countries. It is also possible to see here that there are users that are buying/selling btc over mail 🙂 > **[\- LocalBitcoins](https://localbitcoins.com/)** > > Buy and sell bitcoins near you. Fast, easy and private. > **[\- LocalBitcoins](https://localbitcoins.com/)** > > Buy and sell bitcoins near you. Fast, easy and private. [https://paxful.com/](https://paxful.com/) (less here) So there is already a market (demand) for this kind of exchange. ---
**Author:** ![coinstash](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/coinstash/32/213_2.png) [@coinstash](https://bisq.community/u/coinstash)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:06am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/16 "2016-09-27T08:06:46Z")
Well good luck with that. I see Australia is on the list too. Officially it is ‘tolerated’ here for small amounts sent between local addresses. After all, you can’t deny grandma the right to send $10.00 and a card for your birthday. But cash from international sources WILL BE CONFISCATED if found by Customs. The Royal Mail list is accurate but they should have said “countries where it is illegal _or restrictions are applied_”. ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/17 "2016-09-27T11:17:32Z")
I agree that sending international mails can be problematic, I thought that this way can be good for local and not traceable exchanges. ---
**Author:** ![coinstash](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/coinstash/32/213_2.png) [@coinstash](https://bisq.community/u/coinstash)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/18 "2016-09-27T14:23:48Z")
Do you have anything similar to a Postal Money Order that can be cashed at a Post Office? That would be more secure. ---
**Author:** ![HostFat](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/hostfat/32/62_2.png) [@HostFat](https://bisq.community/u/HostFat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/19 "2016-09-27T14:58:21Z")
Yes, but this will be traceable 😉 ---
**Author:** ![coinstash](https://bisq.community/user_avatar/bisq.community/coinstash/32/213_2.png) [@coinstash](https://bisq.community/u/coinstash)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570/20 "2016-09-27T17:26:24Z")
Registered mail is also traceable. I think this topic is worn out. [Next page](https://bisq.community/t/postal-delivery-registered-mail-international/570.md?page=2)